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	<title>Comments on: Catch-22:  Chapters 11-13</title>
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		<title>By: shimmer</title>
		<link>http://defectiveyeti.com/2007/11/09/catch-22-chapters-11-13/comment-page-2/#comment-32817</link>
		<dc:creator>shimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in too. . . I have been from the beginning, but I think I forgot to post such. Anyway, I&#039;m totally behind, but really enjoying the book. I&#039;m halfway through Chapter 24, Milo, but I intend to finish the book before Christmas. Maybe. For sure before the end of the year.

Anyway, I&#039;m a bit surprised at just how relevant the book is today, with our current administration and all, considering the fact that it was written five years before I was born.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in too. . . I have been from the beginning, but I think I forgot to post such. Anyway, I&#8217;m totally behind, but really enjoying the book. I&#8217;m halfway through Chapter 24, Milo, but I intend to finish the book before Christmas. Maybe. For sure before the end of the year.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m a bit surprised at just how relevant the book is today, with our current administration and all, considering the fact that it was written five years before I was born.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m (re)reading along as well. completely off schedule, of course.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m (re)reading along as well. completely off schedule, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://defectiveyeti.com/2007/11/09/catch-22-chapters-11-13/comment-page-1/#comment-32815</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still in!!!! I agree that Bologna was the first chapter where I really was excited as I turned each page. Before that, I would re-read the paragraphs before I turned the page, just to be sure that I understood what was what!! I am really digging this book. Makes my brain work overtime!!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in!!!! I agree that Bologna was the first chapter where I really was excited as I turned each page. Before that, I would re-read the paragraphs before I turned the page, just to be sure that I understood what was what!! I am really digging this book. Makes my brain work overtime!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still in...just a bit behind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in&#8230;just a bit behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://defectiveyeti.com/2007/11/09/catch-22-chapters-11-13/comment-page-1/#comment-32813</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still in!  I haven&#039;t said anything about being in, yet, because I haven&#039;t been reading the blog much yet.

I started reading this book two years ago and then stopped.  I was very excited that it was picked this year, because it gets me going on reading it again.  The circular writing makes it a TERRIBLE book to put down and then pick up again.  After reading the blog, however, I&#039;m remembering the chapters rather well... considering.

Next year you should pick Great Expectations or Middlemarch so that I can get on those ones, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in!  I haven&#8217;t said anything about being in, yet, because I haven&#8217;t been reading the blog much yet.</p>
<p>I started reading this book two years ago and then stopped.  I was very excited that it was picked this year, because it gets me going on reading it again.  The circular writing makes it a TERRIBLE book to put down and then pick up again.  After reading the blog, however, I&#8217;m remembering the chapters rather well&#8230; considering.</p>
<p>Next year you should pick Great Expectations or Middlemarch so that I can get on those ones, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I&#039;m still in! I have nothing witty to add, other &gt;than to wonder why Major ----- de Coverley is &gt;missing part of his name. Is this an obvious thing &gt;that I&#039;m missing?

Jennifer,
Originally I made the same assumption as Jon F.  However, according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_----_de_Coverley):

Major ---- de Coverley&#039;s first name is not given in the novel, heightening the fact that nobody has the courage to ask him what it is.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I&#8217;m still in! I have nothing witty to add, other >than to wonder why Major &#8212;&#8211; de Coverley is >missing part of his name. Is this an obvious thing >that I&#8217;m missing?</p>
<p>Jennifer,<br />
Originally I made the same assumption as Jon F.  However, according to Wikipedia (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_----_de_Coverley" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_&#8212;-_de_Coverley</a>):</p>
<p>Major &#8212;- de Coverley&#8217;s first name is not given in the novel, heightening the fact that nobody has the courage to ask him what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt L. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt L. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still in -- and only got my copy on Monday. It really does go down more smoothly read quickly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in &#8212; and only got my copy on Monday. It really does go down more smoothly read quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in, just a little behind, and saving the posts until I&#039;ve finished the requisite chapters (as a little reward).  Got my library book checked out here, and a copy lined up for me at my Thanksgiving vacation destination too.  Now if someone would just take these darn kids for a few hours, I&#039;d be all caught up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in, just a little behind, and saving the posts until I&#8217;ve finished the requisite chapters (as a little reward).  Got my library book checked out here, and a copy lined up for me at my Thanksgiving vacation destination too.  Now if someone would just take these darn kids for a few hours, I&#8217;d be all caught up.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that Heller&#039;s writing style is annoying quite a few people.  Remember - it&#039;s like that for a reason.  The catch, a logically cyclic set of arguments, is inserted into the text wherever possible - arguments, situations, characters, etc.  I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s ever been a clear explanation of why Heller did it - maybe just to emphasis what he saw as the futility of war, or maybe because it seemed a rationally elegant problem - once you join the game the only way to win is to stop playing.

Also, there is a plot, it&#039;s just not told linearly.  This isn&#039;t a bad thing, it just means that a bit more concentration is required than for the average airport paperback.  The actions of characters make sense within the twisted scenarios Heller created, they just don&#039;t happen in order.  A lot of it seems pretty similar to the way Ulysses was set out - characters remember scenes with no distinction as to where the present and the past meet.

The second half of the book gets a lot darker, and some of Heller&#039;s points become clearer, as do the motivations and reasons for characters&#039; actions.  Hang in there!  This is one of my favorite books, one I reread every year or so (I read a lot), and I think that the initial confusion is definitely worth it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Heller&#8217;s writing style is annoying quite a few people.  Remember &#8211; it&#8217;s like that for a reason.  The catch, a logically cyclic set of arguments, is inserted into the text wherever possible &#8211; arguments, situations, characters, etc.  I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s ever been a clear explanation of why Heller did it &#8211; maybe just to emphasis what he saw as the futility of war, or maybe because it seemed a rationally elegant problem &#8211; once you join the game the only way to win is to stop playing.</p>
<p>Also, there is a plot, it&#8217;s just not told linearly.  This isn&#8217;t a bad thing, it just means that a bit more concentration is required than for the average airport paperback.  The actions of characters make sense within the twisted scenarios Heller created, they just don&#8217;t happen in order.  A lot of it seems pretty similar to the way Ulysses was set out &#8211; characters remember scenes with no distinction as to where the present and the past meet.</p>
<p>The second half of the book gets a lot darker, and some of Heller&#8217;s points become clearer, as do the motivations and reasons for characters&#8217; actions.  Hang in there!  This is one of my favorite books, one I reread every year or so (I read a lot), and I think that the initial confusion is definitely worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, ooh, one more thing.  I have really enjoyed reading this and comparing it to the movie Memphis Belle (also about WWII bombers).  Memphis Belle is so &quot;40s glam where boys become men and learn important lessons about patriotism&quot; that it&#039;s hard to believe that the movie and the book are talking about the same historical event.  That said, I am definitely picturing Harry Connick Jr. in the part of Yossarian.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, ooh, one more thing.  I have really enjoyed reading this and comparing it to the movie Memphis Belle (also about WWII bombers).  Memphis Belle is so &#8220;40s glam where boys become men and learn important lessons about patriotism&#8221; that it&#8217;s hard to believe that the movie and the book are talking about the same historical event.  That said, I am definitely picturing Harry Connick Jr. in the part of Yossarian.</p>
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